Simbioses Audi/Porsche

Tópico em 'A Marca' iniciado por Merlin, 3 Fev 2006.

  1. Merlin

    Merlin

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    Após ter notado mais do que uma "relação" entre estas duas marcas, resolvi tentar juntar informação sobre estas "uniões-de-facto". Caso alguma informação esteja incompleta ou incorrecta, agradecia que enunciassem. :wink:

    Por temas:

    - Ferdinand Porsche cria a VW a mando de Hitler

    - Produção do VW/Porsche 914

    - Criação da divisão Porsche-Audi em 1969

    - Produção da Audi/Porsche RS2

    - Produção da plataforma VW Touareg/Porsche Cayenne/Audi Q7

    - Porsche quer aumentar as suas acções no Grupo VW de 5% para 20%



    Os temas em detalhe:


    - Ferdinand Porsche cria a VW a mando de Hitler

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    The origins of the car date back to 1930s Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler wanted private motorized transport to be widely available and commissioned engineer Ferdinand Porsche to produce such a vehicle. Some claim that this was based on a sketch that Hitler drew in 1932, a year before he came to power. Hitler decreed that this car should be capable of transporting two adults and three children at a speed of 100 km/h (62 mph), and that it should cost no more than a motorcycle and sidecar to buy. A savings scheme was also launched that would enable the common people to buy the car. However, the advent and aftermath of World War II meant that those who paid into the scheme never received their cars. Rumors said that the Beetle was originally designed for conversion into a makeshift armored car in times of war. Its style esembles a tankette without a turret or armor.

    Who designed the car is a matter of controversy. The official story is that it
    was designed by Ferdinand Porsche. But in the 1920s Joseph Ganz had already made a similar design for a car that was smaller and more affordable than existing models. Car manufacturers were not interested, but two motorcycle manufacturers were. Adler produced the Maikäfer and Standard the Superior, which it advertised as 'Der Deutsche Volkswagen' and was the cheapest four wheel car at the time. When the Nazis came to power, they tested the Superior and favorable reviews appeared in magazines. However, shortly after, the Nazis suddenly imprisoned Ganz for a while, fired him as chief editor of the magazine Motor-Kritik and confiscated his documents, after which he fled to Switzerland, never to return. The reason for this is probably that they found out he was a Jew. The Nazis then turned to Porsche, who produced a prototype of the Käfer
    that looked a lot like the Superior. Volkswagen says that Ganz wasn't the only one to have such a design and that the Käfer was not based on his.



    - Produção do VW/Porsche 914


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    The Porsche 914 was a sports car automobile built and sold collaboratively by Volkswagen and Porsche from 1969 through 1975.
    By the late 1960s, both VW and Porsche were in need of new models; Porsche was looking for a model to replace the 912 and VW was looking to add a sporty, inexpensive 2-door to the lineup. As a cost saving measure, and in part because VW wanted engineering help from Porsche, the two decided to share a platform, originally intending to sell the vehicle in four-cylinder trim as a Volkswagen and in six-cylinder trim as a Porsche. Although they stuck with this setup in Europe, Porsche decided during development that having VW and Porsche models sharing the same body would be risky for business in the U.S. market, and convinced VW to allow them to sell both versions as Porsches in North America.
    Unfortunately for Porsche, complications arose after the death of Volkswagen's chairman, forcing the deal to be re-worked. As a result, the price of the chassis went up considerably, and the 914/6 ended up costing only a bit less than the 911T, Porsche's next lowest price car. Although this had an effect on sales, people soon realized that the 914/6, which shared the 911T's powerplant but was lighter weight and better balanced, was actually a quite competent sports car, and the car became Porsche's top seller during its entire model run, outselling the 911 by a wide margin, with over 118,000 units sold worldwide.
    Volkswagen versions originally came with an 80hp fuel-injected 1.7 litre flat-4 engine based on the unit that powered the VW 411 and 412 saloon cars (the VW Type 4). Porsche's 914/6 variant came with a carburetted 2.0 litre 110hp flat six-cylinder engine, taken from the 1969 911T. Karmann manufactured the rolling chassis at their own plant, then either sent them to Porsche for fitment of the Porsche suspension and flat-six engine or kept them in house for VW hardware. 914/6 models used the same suspension and brakes as the 911, giving the car handling and braking superiority over the 4-cylinder VW models in addition to higher power output. Porsche handled export to the U.S., where both versions
    were badged and sold as Porsches. Many enthusiasts regard this as having been a big mistake on Porsche's part.
    Slow sales and rising costs prompted Porsche to discontinue the 914/6 variant in 1972 after producing only a little over 3,000 of them; its place in the lineup was filled by a variant powered by a new 2.0 litre, fuel injected version of VW's Type IV 4-cylinder engine in 1973. For 1974, the 1.7 was bored out to 1.8 litres, and the new Bosch fuel injection system from the 2.0 was added to U.S. bound units to help with emissions control. 914 production ended in 1975 (though some leftover 1975 models were sold as 1976 models), two years prior to the introduction of its eventual replacement, the 924. The 2.0 litre Type IV contuinued to be used in the 912E, which provided an entry-level model until the 924 could be delivered.


    - Criação da divisão Porsche-Audi em 1969

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    For all the interest in Porsche competition cars, particularly the turbocharged monsters of the 1970’s North American Canadian American Challenge, better known as the Can-Am, there was for a long time a paucity of output from the kit and handbuilt model community in these cars. Indeed, in 1/43rd scale. Only Starter and one small outfit had until comparatively recently produced replicas of the 917/10’s and 917/30’s which so dominated the series In 1972 and again In 1973. Now, a new voice has been heard, that of Marsh Models’ John Simons. and it is both loud and worthy of recognition.
    The story of the 917, which exploited a rules loophole that - as usual - the FIA had overlooked when it revamped its prototype formula in the latter part of the 1960’s, has been reviewed enough that it need not be gone into here again. However, less understood is how a 600 horsepower. 12-cylinder endurance coupe was transformed into 1200 HP, turbocharged, open-topped sprint racer.
    That transformation can be laid at the feet of Josef Hoppen who in 1969, as head of Volkswagen of America’s newly formed Special Vehicles Department was looking for a way to publicise VOA’s just formed Porsche-Audi division. For Hoppen, his instrument was the 917, a vehicle which he saw as being capable of taking on the then dominant McLarens with only "slight" modifications.
    What Hoppen had in mind was a three-year program that would reduce the 917’s weight and raise it’s engine output. Although the first example, the 917 PA (for Porsche-Audi) appeared as a spider In the fall of 1969 for Jo Siffert, turning Hoppen’s dream into reality proved somewhat more difficult than he had Imagined, Porsche not taking any serious interest In the North American championship until 1971 - after the FIA had banned the 917 for the World Manufacturer’s tour starting with the 1972
    season.



    - Produção da Audi/Porsche RS2

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    The RS2 was the product of a co-development project between Audi and Porsche, based on Audi's 80 Avant (station wagon) and built at Porsche's Zuffenhausen plant in Germany. The vehicle was powered by a modified version of Audi's 2.2 litre, 20-valve turbocharged 5-cylinder engine producing 315 PS (232 kW) at 6500 rpm.
    In order to extract a lot of power from the small engine, several changes were made. Porsche switched out the stock KKK turbocharger for a larger unit, then added a re-designed camshaft, larger fuel injectors, a heavy-duty intercooler, a more efficient induction system and a low-pressure exhaust system, then re-tuned the Bosch-supplied engine management software which included adjusting engine timing. With so much power available, the RS2 could power from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) in 4.8 seconds and achieve a maximum speed of 262 km/h (163 mph) [restricted], despite weighing over 3,000 pounds (1400 kg).
    In a road test conducted in 1995, the British car magazine, Autocar, timed the RS2 in an acceleration run from 0 to 30 mph, at just 1.5 seconds, which they confirmed was faster than both the McLaren F1 road car and also Jacque Villeneuve's BAR Formula 1 car of that time.
    To help make sure the vehicle was controllable, it came standard with Audi's Quattro all-wheel-drive system, and Porsche replaced the 80-spec brakes and suspension with systems of their design, lowering it 1.6 inches (4 cm) and giving it the handling and braking capabilities of a high-end sports car. New, 17 inch (432 mm) wheels and 245/40ZR17Dunlop tires were standard.
    A 3-spoke leather steering wheel, Recaro sports-bucket seats (available in full-leather or a leather-suede combination) and console materials in either Wood or Carbon Trim rounded out the vehicle's interior changes.
    Approximately 2200 RS2s were built in total.



    - Produção da plataforma VW Touareg/Porsche Cayenne/Audi Q7

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    The Audi Q7 is a full-size luxury crossover SUV designed by Audi. The Q7 will be available starting in model year 2006, sharing its platform with the VW Touareg and Porsche Cayenne. Based on the Pikes Peak quattro concept car, the Q7 is designed more for on-road use than its Volkswagen cousin. It lacks the Touareg's locking differentials and low-range transfer case but gains a third-row seating option. The production model was unveiled at the Los Angeles Auto Show in January, 2006.
    Audi's 350 hp 4.2 L V8 and 280 hp 3.6 L V6 engines will be offered, with a Diesel V6 (233 hp) making up the bulk of the sales in Europe. Rumors point to a high performance variant of the SUV, possibly the QS7, launched later as well.



    - Porsche quer aumentar as suas acções no Grupo VW de 5% para 20%


    BERLIN Sep 25, 2005 — Luxury sports car maker Porsche AG said Sunday it plans to acquire a stake of about 20 percent in Volkswagen AG, a move aimed at strengthening ties between the automakers and preventing a future hostile takeover of Volkswagen.
    Porsche said Volkswagen has become "a significant supplier for about 30 percent of our sales volume" as well as "an important partner in development."
    The two companies worked together to develop Porsche's Cayenne sport utility vehicle and Volkswagen's Touareg. They recently announced that they, along with Audi AG, were forming an alliance to develop hybrid engines.
    "With this engagement, we want to secure our business relations with VW and also safeguard in the long term a significant part of our future planning," Porsche chief executive Wendelin Wiedeking said in a statement.
    Stuttgart-based Porsche said it hoped the investment would enable it to head off any future hostile takeover of Volkswagen by investors "who do not have the longterm interests of VW as their aim."
    That scenario could arise if the European Court of Justice rules against a German law that effectively prevents the company, Europe's largest automaker, from such a takeover.
    "Our planned investment is the strategic answer to this risk," Wiedeking said.
    Porsche said it was in contact with Volkswagen's management.
    The European Commission took Germany to court last year over the VW law. It has long argued that the decades-old law goes against the grain of the 25-nation bloc's single market principles, although German politicians claim it helps ensure stability at the company.
    The Commission objects to provisions of the 1960 law privatizing Volkswagen that cap a shareholder's voting rights at 20 percent, regardless of the number of shares held, and requires a majority of 80 percent for "important decisions."
    The state of Lower Saxony, where VW's Wolfsburg headquarters is situated, is currently the biggest shareholder, with a stake of 18.2 percent.
    A 20 percent stake would currently cost Porsche more than $3.6 billion.[/img]
     
  2. nmb

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    bom tens ai uma coisa mal.

    realmente a RS2 foi feita em associação com a PORSCHE levando inclusive muito hardware nomeadamente travoes, eixos e muito mais. dai até usar a furação PORSCHE 5x130.

    quanto à RS4, nada tem a ver com a PORSCHE. A RS4 foi feita em associação de uma outra empresa associada. COSWORTH. Por azar nem sei que maxilas usa mas mesmo que usasse PORSCHE, na realidade usaria BREMBO. que fabrica para a porsche. ;)
     
  3. Merlin

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    Certo, mas sendo estes os travões da RS4...
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    ...quer sejam Brembo ou não, tem o dedo da Porsche, ou não? :roll:
    A Porsche deixaria usar a sua imagem nas maxilas sem consentimento ou participação na sua produção? :?

    Vou procurar mais info sobre este tema :wink:
     
  4. Duarte Cordeiro

    Duarte Cordeiro

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    obrigado pela informação. É sempre bom saber destas coisas :)
     
  5. Anonymous

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    esses não são os travões originais da RS4
     
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  7. karkov

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    o meu tio tem um VolksPorsche 914... tem um motor 2.0i VW em chassis Porsche :wink:
     
  8. Merlin

    Merlin

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    Ok Guest, vou editar o tópico. :wink:
     
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  11. Merlin

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    foi adicionado mais um tema:

    Criação da divisão Porsche-Audi em 1969


    check it out :wink:
     

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